EXILED: Crooked Rose Woods

I see a lot of people who seem, at least based on posts here, to be VERY willing to sympathize with the Redcurves, and some of them based on nothing more than a few images on the IG account.

So here is my question: what makes you pro-Redcurve if you are? No judgment, just curiosity. I keep seeing people say they are, but not always explaining why. What connects you so highly to them?

If we get more Elites popping up, I could make the same post for them, but so far those who seem connected to them have more overtly obvious reasons, at least again based on the posts here.

Anyone want to chime in? I am super curious, as I don't personally have any strong connection to any of them (except Frank--but only if he is making people in that apothecary shop. Then I'd love to meet him. Oh, and Hesta's gif/sticker conversations are cute, too.)

What connects you?

I just tend to like people in general. Everyone has a story that I can feel empathetic to and that fascinates me. I love connection— it fuels me both as an artist and just as a human being. So I truly see no reason to write people off until they give me a reason to. In my book, everyone deserves to start off as a “friend” until they prove to be a “foe.”

In general I think people are also drawn to them because they are the only individuals that really have shown themselves to us, I think many of the Elites and Madelyn have been a little personal to some participants but publicly they are much more cryptic. With Cletums posts yesterday and with Hesta's IG account recently they are just coming across as more human and relatable. Especially with Hesta she is on a very interesting journey of self discovery and becoming slightly more integrated with modern technology and just becoming more independent from her family and I think a lot of people are supportive of that and can relate to it in some way. Cletums we have seen is trying really hard and even though we don't know exactly what he did to get himself in the dog house with them we are being shown a more vulnerable side of him that I think many of us empathize with.

But honestly for me, they just seem like a good time. Dorothea, as we saw yesterday in the uncle touchy giveaway video, is just such a showman and I've talked enough about the Captain Spaulding vibes that I feel it's pretty obvious why I enjoy that lol. I also just generally love haunts and Halloween and they seem to be interested in bringing the spooks and the scares back to town. I love an underdog and they were pushed out of their haunt long ago so I'm here to see the comeback. I still see things as the Elites being the ultimate puppet masters and if that is the case then I think the Redcurves are just as much pawns in this as we are and have similar interests that are drawing them back to this haunt and like Haley said they have not really given us a reason not to like them.

cd3vane wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:16 am I love an underdog and they were pushed out of their haunt long ago so I'm here to see the comeback.

I agree with everything you said with one exception. I tried making an underdog comparison and Dorothea quickly corrected me.

They are not underdogs. This land is their birth right. The descendants of kings. Their blood is royal.

PiaPol wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:37 am

cd3vane wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:16 am I love an underdog and they were pushed out of their haunt long ago so I'm here to see the comeback.

I agree with everything you said with one exception. I tried making an underdog comparison and Dorothea quickly corrected me.

They are not underdogs. This land is their birth right. The descendants of kings. Their blood is royal.

Fair enough! Still here for the comeback regardless, also to add to my points that photo of Lily is real fucking cool and I like that

I empathized with the Redcurves because they've been on the fringes of society and I know what it feels like to be an outcast looking from the outside in. After the phone call with Hesta, I felt the adrenaline and excitement wash over me. She is a character I relate to because, like me, her family has a certain decorum. Hesta made a social media account and, much to her father's dismay, got acquainted with modern day technology... breaking the familial 'code of conduct' that's been there for decades. in one of our conversations, I asked how Hesta felt about her family, and she responded with a rubicks cube sticker which I assumed meant she felt complicated about her family. I have no doubt Hesta and the other Redcurves have experienced quite a bit of generational and family trauma.

I grew up with divorced parents. My mom was (is. why am I saying this in the past tense) a conservative Christian woman who didn't agree with doctors. I was born a month early and wasn't reaching important developmental milestones. Her reaction? Take me to a doctor who, in her words, called me a "lazy baby", a nurse who told her I probably had a disability (mom didn't want to diagnose me)l, and finally to a naturopath chiropractor who performed "Cranio-Sacral" therapy and then I miraculously began to walk. She had a lot of expectations of me as an undiagnosed autistic/ADHD kiddo: be "Christian", be polite, be obedient and always do what is asked, don't engage in premarital sex, fit in with narrow societal norms (wear uncomfortable clothing, wear uncomfortable shoes, have long hair because all girls have long hair, and present myself as the gender assigned at birth). I went to a family reunion in August and everybody mentioned being scared of grandma or grandpa, or "so and so was a little rough around the edges" but they still loved them because they'd prefer to "forgive and forget" rather than address the Elephant in the Room (family trauma). Cause if you talk about Bad Stuff, then you acknowledge that Bad Stuff has happened. To break the cycle, you must acknowledge.

Lex, I love and appreciate you so much and thank you for sharing. I understand family and religion trauma and am nowhere near being as able to be so open about it… yet.

For me, I see The Redcurves as this group of people who were once great, who suffered the indignity of being cast aside by society, did what they had to do to survive, and have come back fighting. Whether that is just a story for our benefit… I still admire their tenacity. It is the story of witches throughout history and I will identify with anyone with a similar experience.

And if they are working alongside the Elites for the purpose I think they are, I am here for it. I don’t want to kneel FOR them, I want to kneel WITH them.

I wouldn't say I am "pro-redcurve"; it's just more that I am interested in people's individual choices and who they are. Everyone is complex and layered and deserves to be seen without being judged for a family association. We don't know how or why many of them chose this path. It doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people - maybe they are just doing their best with what they have. I don't want to assume the worst of someone until they show me otherwise.

Whoischelsea wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:48 pm I wouldn't say I am "pro-redcurve"; it's just more that I am interested in people's individual choices and who they are. Everyone is complex and layered and deserves to be seen without being judged for a family association. We don't know how or why many of them chose this path. It doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people - maybe they are just doing their best with what they have. I don't want to assume the worst of someone until they show me otherwise.

Agree with this a ton. I choose to believe that people are inherently good unless I find out otherwise, it's a more fun way to live.

Agree! Always assuming the best intentions from people. I thoroughly enjoyed my phone call from Molly.. found her to be very sweet.. my daughter on the other hand definitely thought it sounded like Molly trying to get me to " join a cult" lol

ToCarp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:29 pm my daughter on the other hand definitely thought it sounded like Molly trying to get me to " join a cult" lol

well… she’s not wrong.

people like us are the easiest to recruit

me and pia grabbed some coffee this morning and had a great opportunity to talk about this. (thank you so much for the delicious cake, Pia!)

We kinda talked about how, for someone like me that got into this pretty early, the elites were pretty much the only party in play, meanwhile for someone like her, she had the opportunity to experience much more of the redcurves than I have had so far.

Personally for me the way I'm starting to understand it, is that I'm not really pro or anti - I'm just more familiar with the elites than I am redcurves, hence why during our escapades Monday it was a lot easier for me to talk to dairy king/the elites than it was any of the redcurves. I think part of it is just how the cards fell, but I also have to remind myself that I can always do more and there was probably an opportunity there for me to talk to the redcurves and ask questions. but getting better at that

campbellstruts wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:54 pm me and pia grabbed some coffee this morning and had a great opportunity to talk about this. (thank you so much for the delicious cake, Pia!)

We kinda talked about how, for someone like me that got into this pretty early, the elites were pretty much the only party in play, meanwhile for someone like her, she had the opportunity to experience much more of the redcurves than I have had so far.

Personally for me the way I'm starting to understand it, is that I'm not really pro or anti - I'm just more familiar with the elites than I am redcurves, hence why during our escapades Monday it was a lot easier for me to talk to dairy king/the elites than it was any of the redcurves. I think part of it is just how the cards fell, but I also have to remind myself that I can always do more and there was probably an opportunity there for me to talk to the redcurves and ask questions. but getting better at that

I also wanted to add—I never tried knocking on the doors of the Elites. I chatted up Dairy King during my experience, but I was dragged into the world of the Redcurves.

Just like anyone else, you’re forming relationships with each interaction. In my experience the Redcurves were much more accessible for me.

There is a version of you that exists with the people you interact with, and it is solely based off of the snapshots they have of you. It can vary wildly from who you think you are. I like to apply that to myself and to keep it in mind when forming my opinions of others.

There is a wide range of motivations for folks, and where we stand… no one really knows what has brought the Redcurves & Elites together. We only know what they have illuminated for us.